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hello and welcome to the skeptics own

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show number 44 the twenty fourth of July

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2009 Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia on today's show we have

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an interview with American magician and

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Mentalist Jamy Ian Swiss recorded at the

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amazing meeting seven in Las Vegas also

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from the amazing meeting we have the

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entire press conference of Connie son

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the lady from Denmark who attempted to

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prove to us all that she does indeed

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have magical powers unknown to science

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but let's start straight away with the

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Jamy Ian Swiss is a sleight-of-hand

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artist and a world-renowned performer

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specializing in close-up and intimate

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card magic he is also a corporate

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entertainer a stage Mentalist and mind

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reader a lecturer public speaker or

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third teacher consultant designer TV

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writer skeptic and a hell of a nice

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fellow I caught up with Jamie in Las

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it's tam 7 in Las Vegas having a really

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great time it's only day one well it's

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really officially kicked off today

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though although there were some

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workshops yesterday and it was a great

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workshop at about twelve o'clock it was

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that easement you might have missed

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about the intersection of magic and

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critical thinking I didn't is that a

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shame you mr. awful today that's the

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voice of Jamie's is delighted to meet

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you a larger to meet you at long last so

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yeah now you had a wonderful session

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today on the stage of the main stage

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with james randi which was turned into a

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wonderful like a fireside chat and

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showing highlights of Randy's

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fascinating career was that their idea

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or you are that's my idea actually you

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know Randy I have a long relationship

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with Randy part of which he didn't know

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about because it began really as with

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Randy as inspiration I mean I remember

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seeing him on television in my childhood

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and I wanted to do that I wanted to be a

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magician although I was a magician for

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much of my life first 29 years of my

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life as an amateur strictly as an

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amateur and was actually a later in life

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career change and then he was a hero to

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me and really altered my thinking about

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skeptical activism i started magic when

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i was very young I read a book at the

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guinea and I was fascinated by his

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psychic busting escapades north perhaps

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than even about his escapology and I can

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remember going back as far as elementary

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school kids coming to me and saying wow

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you know i'm reading sherlock holmes and

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on me saying in return well don't you

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know that the guy who wrote that was an

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idiot who believed in fairies he got out

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of cardboard so i think i was kind of an

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innate skeptic from the beginning but in

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the 1970s when i read a book which has

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since been retitled but i love the

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original title which was called the

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magic of Uri Geller and this is a book

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that had a profound impact on

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you didn't really teach me anything that

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I didn't already know I knew that what

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was going on was was fake was magic

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tricks being presented as psychic feet

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but Randy presented it in a way that

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made it clear to me what the moral

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implications and what the human

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implications were yeah and I would buy

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copies of the books i would order copies

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of the books from book stories you know

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it was still called the magic on it was

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a magical google i would go into a

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bookstore and i would ask if they had it

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had it makes they didn't have it i would

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i would have them order six copies for

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me and then I was gradually give away

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the copies and you know then I would go

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in in order them someplace else is get

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him on the shelf and I'm by no means

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alone in this if you talk to Banacek

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will tell you exactly the same thing a

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book had a profound impact I think on a

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generation of us yeah and so you know

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there was that stage of it and then in

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1985-86 I suppose with my friends and

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colleagues chip denman the statistician

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and grace 10 min and the late Phil class

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we began the National Capital Area

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skeptics in the Washington DC area where

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I was living at that time and began to

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become active in the skeptical movement

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in the skeptical community I can start

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to know Randy and work with him as a

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colleague yeah and somewhere along the

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line that blossomed into a into a

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friendship I don't remember a time now

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really I have to work hard to remember a

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time when Randy wasn't in my life in

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that way and the truth of the matter is

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is that even after all these many years

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and all the different adventures and

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time spent together when the phone rings

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and the voice on the other end says at

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Randy mmm there is still a little part

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of me going way back to maybe when I was

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watching you know the Wonder am at the

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TV show when I was eight yrs old let's

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go a little part of you want you to look

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around to somebody in the room and go

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it's funny so so yeah so two years ago

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at tam i suggested the idea that

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we that he have a conversation on stage

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to talk actually what really happened

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was I was down in far too visiting him

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just for fun and he showed me some clips

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of this show he had done in Korea just a

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few years ago that was based on the

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million-dollar challenge where they were

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it was a local team that we're doing

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these investigations based on his idea

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and he was sort of a host and the studio

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kind of thing and they did some

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fantastic stuff I mean they really I

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would love to see that all yeah they

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busted some great stuff some great

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fakers and they made great TV out of it

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to which it's not always easy to do and

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so and I I was just looking at it at the

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j ref and I said man this is great as

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anybody seen this though we got to show

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this thumb and I thought well why don't

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we just come into town and have a

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conversation and I'll go through the

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stuff and I'll pull out some highlights

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and so that was what we did two years

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ago and then this year I thought well

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let's do something else let's hold

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conferences skepticism everybody knows

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about this you know I know that even

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beyond that Randy is first and last a

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magician and that's what we have in

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common and for first and foremost and I

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thought well let's let's talk a little

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bit about his career that the people

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don't know about I mean that so you saw

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I mean not only some old magic clips and

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escape clips and stunts no underwater

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and exactly why I believe this Superman

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stuff really Superman stuff but then you

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know things that this audience to know

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about the movie the film that is now

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available on DVD was not for some 30

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years the billion dollar babies two of

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my from Alice Cooper and randy was on

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that too and for three months like an

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on-stage character yeah so we showed

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some of that and then finally the the

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upside down straitjacket escapes one

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over Niagara Falls from a crane in the

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middle of January over the Horseshoe

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Falls and another in Japan suspended

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from a helicopter you know he's Superman

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it's hard to believe that you know the

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guy is sitting there next to you he's

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done all these things i'm still

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astonished yeah by and quite frankly and

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and so much more besides these wonderful

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entertaining precisely

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just his career you know just merely

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yeah we want to say his career as an

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entertainer it's an escapologist as a

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magician and now we begin with the fact

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that he's you know regards of grant

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award winner and an author and and it's

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basically the really the most important

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invisible skeptic in the world

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everyone's call them what it is you know

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sigh cop back at the beginning is a

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conversation of my friend ray hyman is

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here from the executive committee of

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side cop one of the founders and I've

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had the pleasure the privilege of

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spending time with Martin Gardner thanks

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to Randy some musical actually Randy

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called me up and said I'm going to visit

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Martin you want to come do I wanna come

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are you and we went we went and visited

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Martin for a few days which was

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absolutely utterly fabulous and you know

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that room martin gardner james randi i'm

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talking about ray hyman II wasn't there

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with us that day when I was just talking

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to Ray about his history with with

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Martin and Randy and myself you know

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that's a that's a room full of magicians

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yeah you know yeah and you know bard and

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I got out of pack of cards and

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magic for a while yeah so and yet these

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are really the people who founded the

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activist American skeptical movement and

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we're talking about it even before Paul

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Kurtz who eventually came from the

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academic side and had the letter about

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the astrology with leading thinkers

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statement that eventually built to the

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creation of psychic now CSI and and so

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on so you're reminding me of the Randy's

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past achievements and his TV spots

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there's something that I think the jrf

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recently put on YouTube and they're

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putting a lot of old these things which

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is just gold and wonderful to look at it

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was must have been a very early days of

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Geller where James only didn't went on

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some chat show or other and simply what

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he did reproduced what Geller did and

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one of the people in the little audience

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or the little panel was a gala supporter

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some doctor or scientist or whatever and

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and his brain falling apart when Randy

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simply did them again and put it

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straight to him and I'm a magician and I

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can do it as easily as he can right

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Randy likes to say you know if he's

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using supernatural powers to alter the

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forces of nature he's doing it the hard

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way but it's also fascinated me and

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still does to the state that people

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would rather or prefer the the

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complicated answer which is paranormal

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mystical power than 0 to trick yes and I

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often point out that even though i do

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talks all around the country about

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critical thinking and so on that in the

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end you know we skeptics often make the

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mistake of thinking well if we just

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prevent present the evidence if we just

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present the evidence against astrology

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if we just present the evidence in favor

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of vaccination if we just present the

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fact that we can duplicate the magic

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tricks of a psychic rational inquiry

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would suggest that this should be enough

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to alter someone's worldview well it

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doesn't because the world the world view

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is what's a more important do many

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people yeah and is the deciding factor

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rather than the evidence you have to be

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you have to first buy into the notion

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that evidence from a double-blind test

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that you didn't personally conduct

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perhaps is actually more important about

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how you make decisions about the world

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then your personal experience and that's

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that's very honored to divide absolutely

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that's a counter intuitive idea you know

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gnarly early 90s called uncommon sense

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he talks about the fact that the

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scientific method is it is a completely

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unnatural way to think and that if it

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wasn't a aside from the Greek sort of

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dude playing with it for a little

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brushing up against the notion for a

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while really we're only going back 400

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years to the time of Galileo well what

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is 400 years in geologic evolutionary

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time yeah to say it's a blanket of an

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eye as a gross exaggeration in the end

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yeah and so you really have to wrestle

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yourself into the notion that that's how

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you find out what

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true and that that's more important than

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what your own personal feelings are

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about what might be true and where do

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they have or we have the disadvantage i

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might say is that that takes learning

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and explaining and you have to get your

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mind around certain things and sometimes

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that's not easy whereas i know it's true

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because i saw it is instant it's

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heartfelt and it can seem a lot more

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real right and you know it's the midst

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of personal validation yes really the

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worst kind of evidence in the world

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because if seeing was was the only thing

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you need to believe then you know every

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time I do a magic trick how do you how

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do you determine the difference between

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that and reality and you know I've had

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this discussion with attorneys about

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them about evidence about legal evidence

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in in the courtroom matter of fact I

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recall now offhand a Randy and I did a

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conference of years ago kind of a

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workshop the Isaac Asimov series

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somewhere and we staged long with chip

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10 and we staged an accident in the

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opening session right a waiter who walks

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through and suddenly drops a picture of

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water and some glassware and while that

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happened we rearrange some things we run

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we strip we've changed clothing very

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quickly and some other things like this

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and then we ask people to break into

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breakout groups and report what they had

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seen and you know nobody came up with

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when we showed them that you know some

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guy had gotten up in the middle of all

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this it was only a few seconds

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misdirection but you know someone had

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picked up a huge fire extinguisher from

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one end of the room and carried it to

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the other end of the room in front of

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the entire group and it will walked out

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the other door not one person reported

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it yeah okay so my point being that we

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have a prejudice a bias in the legal

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system that says that that gives great

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weight to eyewitness testimony yeah and

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you know if it was up to me I would

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suggest that today that made it seem to

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make sense perhaps a century ago or more

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but today when you have scientific

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forensic evidence this is

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considered circumstantial so-called

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circumstantial evidence but really jury

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should be instructed in my opinion to

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consider to give the greater weight the

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greatest weight to scientific evidence

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and while they may be allowed to

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consider eyewitness testimony they

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should assume it to be the lowest value

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on the totem pole you get this this

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intuitively yeah because because what

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people see we are human beings are

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terrible observers that that's the

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reason you need the double-blind test is

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yeah because we are innately pattern

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seeking animals who you know the great

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problem of life is always to detect I've

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detect the difference between confluence

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and causality right isn't that the great

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challenge of the human condition it is

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so we're pattern seeking animals which

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mostly works for us more times than not

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but often works against us we see

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patterns that are there I've been in our

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long history going back millennia it

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obviously it's work more forest and

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again is right but it also is why you

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dance for rain yes yes okay yeah cuz one

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day after you know after a long drought

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you happen to dance yet afternoon in

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brain and now you're dancing for rain

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for the next millennium yeah yeah that's

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that's um you know nevertheless it is

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good as here yes and whatever would be

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as well finally it's got is anything

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either was got here despite it is fight

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it nevertheless we have now come into a

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point of the the human story where we

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are in a privileged position unlike the

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most of our ancestors of course of

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having a real good understanding about

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these matters and this is due to the

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scientific method of course but it still

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is as you say it's counterintuitive it

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really is it is and you know Nanda

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thought man buried is dead with food and

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tools over 30,000 years ago and we don't

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know exactly what he was thinking but

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it's not unreasonable to guess it had

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something to do with the notion about

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they have to life yeah and that's the

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kind of innate thinking that was that

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was still faced with today that gives

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religion power that gives superstition

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power and that you know we just stepped

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out of a presentation about people

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fighting the notion of vaccine yes yeah

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that and this is this is no longer just

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a philosophical argument

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not any longer an argument about whether

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someone is bending a spoon by sleight of

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hand or by thinking about it this is

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life and death for children that's it

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that's it that's it that's a terrifying

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terrifying it is no but do people are

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making the comments with what can we do

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what can we do what I was seeing now and

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this sort of relates back to what you're

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saying before where you had the book the

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magic of every Geller which inspired you

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and etc well now when people like like

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yourself or Randy or whatever do

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something thousands and thousands of

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people hear about it not just somebody

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finding a book in a bookshop and then

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going from there thousands of people are

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going to be listening to this thousands

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of people followed the junior from what

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Randy has to say in phil plait and all

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the richland it's okay but i'll be

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skeptical for a moment if you'll forgive

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me to you and say that you know compared

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to the number of years that get to hear

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what's going on at the j ref how many

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people get to hear oprah winfrey

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supporting jenny mccarthy or selling

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making them making a secret one

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best-selling book this is the secret

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which is a book with both an ancient and

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evil idea that people who are sick are

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and don't get well or people who are

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poor and don't get better are they are

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the victim of their own poor think it's

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there that's it that's a terrible idea

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it's a really terrible idea so you know

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I think that part of the purpose of the

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skeptical movement yes of course first

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and foremost I suppose is activism in

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the sense of public education in the

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sense of providing information but it's

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also there's another side to it and a

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lot of that side and a lot of it goes on

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here for example at the amazing meeting

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is association with people of like mine

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yeah and that's very human it's it's

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here it's extremely humid and it's

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extremely necessary yeah yeah you know

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I've I was accounted a co-founder of the

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National Capital Area skeptics on 21 and

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I think years ago two years ago I helped

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found the

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the New York City skeptics I work with

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the Center for inquiry I work with cam

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and and much of this is to be with like

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minded people I grand you know there are

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worse things you can do with your time

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than spend it among the great minds of

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your generation right that's well you

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know when you put it that way you're

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absolutely right but of course the flip

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side and again it relates back to what

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you were just saying the reach of Oprah

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and all that sort of thing is of course

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this goes across all walks of life

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people no matter what their outlook they

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want to associate with like-minded

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people and by and large I'm sure they

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all think they're right as we probably

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do too you see what I mean right well my

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friendship then he likes to say that

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although we like to think that we

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believe what we want to believe more

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often than not human beings believe what

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they need to believe the things that

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make us feel better in the night you

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know when it's a large and dark and

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lonely universe yeah and those are those

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are difficult forces to work against

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rationality is often not enough yes yes

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there's some people are possibly so but

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yeah I take your point I take your point

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now listeners without my noticing and I

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don't know how this happened maybe it's

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because I'm in the presence of a

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magician a card is appeared on the table

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oh my goodness look at that how did that

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get that wasn't there a second ago

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what's that cousin well this card is

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about a couple of upcoming events that

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I'm involved in one is for the National

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Capital Area skeptics i'll be doing a

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day in the fall probably in october

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jointly between the National Capital

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Area skeptics and the Center for inquiry

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myself and DJ Grothe the host of the

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wonderful podcast point of inquiry will

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be doing a day on the intersection

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between magic and skepticism not unlike

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the workshop that we did here at tam and

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then also in September in the fall

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September 12th actually the New York

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City skeptics along with the the New

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England skeptics are jointly producing

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the first Northeast Conference on

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science and skepticism which we have

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done nexus any CSS you can find out more

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at any CSS CO and Nexus con dot org and

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this will be an all day

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de convención so for the Northeast

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featuring Carl Zimmer and Paul Offit and

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the skeptic guides the universe folks

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Massimo Pucci was actually on a board of

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directors in the New York City skeptics

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John Rennie the recent editor-in-chief

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of Scientific American will be talking

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all about vaccinations and about public

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education and median science and so on

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and so that's some of the latest thing

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that some of the local groups I'm

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involved in there so that's very

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exciting for zonna listeners to because

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one of the speakers is none other than

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our very own dr. H E dr. Rachel Dunlop

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from the skeptic zone yes we're

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delighted she's going to be in town and

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be able to join us on the she is very

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excited about being part of that's great

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that's been happening not long after

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dragoncon that's right right after dark

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and we're doing Dragon Con and then

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she's jetting up to take part in net and

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I can't tell you how excited she is to

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be part of that right well New York City

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skeptics is is new and we've been doing

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public programs and on a growing pretty

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well under a short amount of time and

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this is something that had been in

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conversation for a while if we could get

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sort of a regional conference together

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so we'll start this with this one day

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event and hopefully if it's successful

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we'll get to build on it going forward

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fantastic well a pleasure to meet you at

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last again likewise again thank you so

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576
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582
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583
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you for those who bought my origami

584
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585
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skeptic zone ETS y dot com it all goes

586
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Connie son from Denmark thinks she has

587
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powers unknown to science despite

588
00:25:48,570 --> 00:25:45,160
failing the lemon Airy test for the

589
00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:48,580
James Randi 1 million dollar prize now

590
00:25:53,910 --> 00:25:51,700
failing this test is nothing new in fact

591
00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:53,920
no one has ever passed this stage of the

592
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:56,590
1 million dollar prize before however

593
00:26:01,260 --> 00:25:59,170
this time the preliminary test was

594
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:01,270
conducted in front of a live audience of

595
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:04,660
over 500 people and also broadcast live

596
00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,330
as a streaming video for many more all

597
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over the world to see briefly Connie was

598
00:26:16,890 --> 00:26:13,570
asked to use her powers to guide her to

599
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:16,900
find 3 playing cards hidden from view in

600
00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:20,440
envelopes you can see the entire test by

601
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:22,780
visiting the YouTube channel of the

602
00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:27,570
James Randi Educational Foundation at ww

603
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:33,030
youtube.com / user / James Randi

604
00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:37,570
foundation so you may wish now to pause

605
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:40,270
this podcast take a look at the video of

606
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,760
the test and come back to hear the press

607
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:45,520
conference held immediately after the

608
00:27:02,080 --> 00:26:58,260
now here is the audio of Connie's press

609
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:06,830
peace

610
00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:10,290
hello everyone thank you so much

611
00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:13,300
I guess we should start this off with

612
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:15,160
questions about the test questions you

613
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:17,230
have for Connie or container or anything

614
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:23,170
about a challenge just started Connie

615
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:27,490
and uh you know after you fail the test

616
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:30,070
you have second thoughts about how fair

617
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:36,190
it was no no I do know what I can so

618
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:39,100
it's okay can you elaborate on you do

619
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:42,940
know what you can and what's behind yeah

620
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:47,230
you know the story is huge very so I had

621
00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:52,930
to try to lose them I still even though

622
00:28:01,040 --> 00:27:56,590
i missed this challenge but things

623
00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:01,050
welcome and i don't know what yes

624
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:03,670
because i have to follow up some stairs

625
00:28:08,169 --> 00:28:06,490
of time once they at the time everything

626
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:08,179
stick together if you know

627
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:12,200
and I had to do their part and parcel

628
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:15,830
digitizer to do some things before I can

629
00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:19,490
do some other things this stuff

630
00:28:27,970 --> 00:28:24,230
outdoorsy it's not the real thing I mean

631
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:27,980
that's much more I could sure if I was

632
00:28:36,629 --> 00:28:32,240
about to today are I was not allowed to

633
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:36,639
show you that provided because I can i

634
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:40,490
yeah it is real fast let me go ahead and

635
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,230
do a quick introduction I assume the

636
00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:45,440
null know me too well myself this in

637
00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:48,830
case you don't we mr. any event don't

638
00:28:58,570 --> 00:28:54,980
let Connie jet and announcing is there

639
00:29:02,120 --> 00:28:58,580
any test that if you fail would convince

640
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,130
you that you did not have people know

641
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:04,330
kinda can you tell us do you have any

642
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:06,130
idea why you think you feel I suppose

643
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:10,450
today yes activate before I where two of

644
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:14,110
the state's I have thought about it that

645
00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:18,130
ever there because something else are

646
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:20,740
going to happen and if you follow my

647
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:25,120
then I built sometimes I can't play a

648
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:29,320
time horizon but if you fall out my name

649
00:29:35,010 --> 00:29:32,350
at the Miss for example there were many

650
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:35,020
things but other than speculation about

651
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:36,280
the future you have no specific

652
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:38,410
explanation as to why it failed today

653
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:42,190
yes I have because it wasn't the right

654
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:44,440
time for people out there to get food

655
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:48,670
now and that now you hit that out it on

656
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:51,160
but you could see something was going to

657
00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:54,310
happen when I dogs right and it's not me

658
00:30:00,750 --> 00:29:57,630
he's not friendly passport from outside

659
00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:00,760
Connie Richard Saunders from Sydney

660
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:03,640
Australia did you try before coming here

661
00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:06,190
to give yourself a similar sort of test

662
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:08,430
with cards and envelopes and that

663
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:12,310
once I guess I'm sorry before you came

664
00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:15,040
here yeah did you try to test yourself

665
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:23,320
in Denmark with cards and envelopes Alan

666
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:26,140
cows were from Des Moines what what

667
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:29,050
specifically have you done successfully

668
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:34,570
with the dowsing the many things as a

669
00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:37,150
child before his daughter is very huge

670
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:41,320
and one of my missions if you can say so

671
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:44,620
there's no that you can't at all there's

672
00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:47,020
no God something like that it's not

673
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:51,580
about that but well the huge missions

674
00:30:59,580 --> 00:30:56,410
the it's not like this it was a part of

675
00:31:03,360 --> 00:30:59,590
it of course but I did find the British

676
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:03,370
be using government in the head and I

677
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:06,340
was told to do and I have the evidence

678
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:11,830
and why I can show me explain how is it

679
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:13,980
believes itself Goldman's everywhere

680
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:18,610
well well separate from the fact that

681
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:21,520
are you just just one second let me go

682
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:23,350
ahead we have no dispute on that because

683
00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:25,590
if you don't know that we can expire

684
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:27,900
disappeared from Portugal she's a

685
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,679
British girl and Connie has been in if

686
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:33,240
you look at her package she's been in

687
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:35,490
magazines getting interviews about where

688
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,600
she believes math McCann is but none of

689
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:41,760
the information you found has actually

690
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,799
found Madeline hello and why that's a

691
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:48,960
question it is because in top of the

692
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:52,470
government's for theorem there is a

693
00:32:01,519 --> 00:31:57,330
little to the police welcome did you

694
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:01,529
exercise America now and did you

695
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:03,330
actually use dowsing like you did today

696
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:08,220
to find Madeleine no I like that well I

697
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:11,070
when I started to do what I'm doing

698
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,630
these will chew his arm up I started

699
00:32:21,049 --> 00:32:17,640
with dozing I have never done this stuff

700
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:21,059
before but some friend told me that I I

701
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:24,290
had a crystal ball in Marbella

702
00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:28,400
those with it that's why he suddenly all

703
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:35,300
things having their words hi I'm

704
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:38,810
followed from Spain and disciple to go

705
00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:41,450
so you can imagine that I know a lot

706
00:32:48,670 --> 00:32:43,700
about this case you know how many people

707
00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:48,680
say that they have seen her yeah it's a

708
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:52,790
lie many of me they are all liars except

709
00:33:03,970 --> 00:32:59,570
you some of it I lies some really many

710
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:03,980
movement but if you later yes because we

711
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:07,970
don't we have not people here are not

712
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:11,420
going to forgive her it's a sort of data

713
00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:15,320
you can censor and very she's all right

714
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:19,880
the keeper for a special reason but what

715
00:33:25,930 --> 00:33:23,030
is the children one appendage of the

716
00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:25,940
market calm the storm is maybe she's

717
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:30,140
making a joke if you cross the road from

718
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:35,240
here I can talk your weight now we so I

719
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:37,010
have so much do you hear voices or

720
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:46,320
they write on my computer charger where

721
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:49,690
was it fate what ya were they who are

722
00:33:57,659 --> 00:33:53,350
they what's behind us oh no god but

723
00:34:00,419 --> 00:33:57,669
there is something have it ok so it's

724
00:34:04,289 --> 00:34:00,429
not only in my hand now it's with our

725
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:04,299
eyes would like only less a some what

726
00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:08,310
else can hear and see it to music

727
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:13,030
relationship so is making all the stars

728
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:17,169
of tomorrow a little right all I don't

729
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:19,030
want the poor quality minds question

730
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:22,690
here from today instead of just saying I

731
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:25,210
can't get you said this is the car and

732
00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:26,530
with the next message you can say i

733
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:27,879
don't think it's called you said this is

734
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:30,760
the garden when i to the m on that yet

735
00:34:36,899 --> 00:34:34,090
you arrive lessons respectfully at the

736
00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:36,909
end you were wrong on those how do you

737
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:40,060
know that the same thing is not the same

738
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:41,830
doesn't apply with Maddox you leave to

739
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:43,490
write today

740
00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:47,720
that's not because I know it's the truth

741
00:34:57,850 --> 00:34:53,840
what is I know thanks i went to get my

742
00:35:02,200 --> 00:34:57,860
mom because she chose white wasn't that

743
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:02,210
I was talking to her talk when I thought

744
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:05,930
out across my adult in their children he

745
00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:08,690
was the right heart but sometimes they

746
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:12,260
are mine because I had to find something

747
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:15,710
healthy something out myself and this

748
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:21,890
this guy has got today it's probably

749
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:25,010
because all the at least and numbers

750
00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:36,020
have my ways than we all do know that

751
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:40,220
don't you let go of the bay no I didn't

752
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:42,190
get out there with Mady

753
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:44,290
not to get skeptics and don't you get

754
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:50,680
that same for everyone and i will write

755
00:36:02,460 --> 00:35:56,710
it all down at some time you will come

756
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,470
to a point where we go i love the story

757
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:05,440
i mean all today i'll push the boat test

758
00:36:14,819 --> 00:36:12,430
oh you approach the foundation approach

759
00:36:16,589 --> 00:36:14,829
you approach them yeah and you pretty

760
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:16,599
much said the protocol you said what is

761
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:19,000
that you could do you knew that you're

762
00:36:24,990 --> 00:36:22,390
going into a groove skeptics do that I

763
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:25,000
have time and you did it anyway knowing

764
00:36:30,329 --> 00:36:27,369
full well that as you say now that

765
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:30,339
they're my damn super abilities in some

766
00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:34,869
way why did he do that because i am

767
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,440
other things I'll call you I said

768
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:48,800
there's no time we're not trying to

769
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:51,830
compete you then you are trying to

770
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:53,660
convince us or something you found

771
00:36:58,180 --> 00:36:56,030
general done this that I congratulate

772
00:37:00,430 --> 00:36:58,190
you for your practice and your openness

773
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:00,440
and your willingness to subject yourself

774
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:04,310
to a power cable line test like this but

775
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:06,200
we're not trying to we're not claiming

776
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,270
that these power don't exist you never

777
00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:10,640
have they always said that we don't see

778
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:12,590
the chemicals from the time we offered

779
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:14,540
million-dollar price if someone who can

780
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:16,910
show us that we're incorrect and I'm

781
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:19,310
thinking in that direction so don't

782
00:37:24,099 --> 00:37:20,690
think we're trying to convert you to

783
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,109
change your mind or username against you

784
00:37:29,470 --> 00:37:26,960
are that we that we have any lack of

785
00:37:32,590 --> 00:37:29,480
respect for your for your beliefs in

786
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:32,600
touch that's not the case so we want to

787
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:35,330
understand what you're saying if I was

788
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:37,190
very excited about that first card out

789
00:37:41,770 --> 00:37:39,530
it was a low card as well and of course

790
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:41,780
it's hard as a magician eek ook you're

791
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:43,550
trying to get the city tangle its parts

792
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:51,130
Lokar to write so I was very excited for

793
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,010
you at that moment I to do it this time

794
00:38:01,450 --> 00:37:57,200
because things like I went to have in

795
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:01,460
the black time also as I said that

796
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:03,890
everyone if you cancel your packets the

797
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:05,990
agreement item number six I do not

798
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:07,730
believe the taking my challenge asked in

799
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:09,529
trouble are giants what influenced my

800
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:17,880
question one from the jera was this the

801
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,170
most visible or largest scale by

802
00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:23,119
audience watching and so what are any

803
00:38:27,009 --> 00:38:24,740
other ways in which this test was

804
00:38:30,009 --> 00:38:27,019
exceptional I suspect that it probably

805
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:30,019
was the most widely viewed cover from my

806
00:38:36,549 --> 00:38:32,450
mind and spirit of the environment I

807
00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:36,559
mean that same time so how do we have

808
00:38:44,570 --> 00:38:41,029
1700 you something we had properly 6700

809
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:44,580
in the room with us easily

810
00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:47,710
yes oh that wasn't quite there was a

811
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,840
1700 people watching live on the

812
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:52,000
internet repeat you know it comes and

813
00:38:55,860 --> 00:38:54,790
goes a lot of them are so sweet it's

814
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,870
something I've actually at one point

815
00:39:01,560 --> 00:38:57,520
eight the moderator chattering because

816
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:01,570
people were talking in Swedish I'm sorry

817
00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:06,070
so I gotcha sanguis be the job I think

818
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:08,680
that video created this is probably the

819
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:13,240
most widely live and feeling I detest

820
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,610
that we've done absolutely this was the

821
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:17,920
most visible most widely promoted is

822
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:20,850
most viewed testing and everything I

823
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:23,710
just have one question in some Asian

824
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:26,500
what what I hear you saying is that this

825
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:28,630
experience is a stepping stone to

826
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:30,970
something greater and reader ready for

827
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:34,420
or you're not and there's some reason

828
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:35,890
why you're here that they have have

829
00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:37,870
anything to do with playing cards my

830
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:41,600
understanding is too okay

831
00:39:47,110 --> 00:39:44,670
plain answer question knowing the test

832
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:47,120
protocol beforehand you practice at all

833
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:51,780
get smaller than ours interaction we get

834
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:53,670
the shot show all the time of people we

835
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:56,310
always ask them specifically please try

836
00:40:01,970 --> 00:39:58,440
and don't want test under the condition

837
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,980
to leave underline our primary and that

838
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:04,800
please do test yourself independently

839
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,760
and every case in every case without

840
00:40:14,330 --> 00:40:11,520
fail it was said though I don't need to

841
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:14,340
do that because I go to their work I'm

842
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:16,320
just putting that out Maddie you lookin

843
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,410
packet many has what would be before

844
00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:21,660
where she's guess cards that will face

845
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:24,600
down put on the elbows based on numbers

846
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:30,900
nothing is my paradise not intended era

847
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:34,560
it was there any concern something this

848
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:41,130
large scale about exporting tested this

849
00:40:51,029 --> 00:40:44,380
large-scale very concern in exploiting

850
00:40:54,299 --> 00:40:51,039
or question yeah or any concerns on but

851
00:40:56,789 --> 00:40:54,309
we try very hard and we searched it in

852
00:40:58,529 --> 00:40:56,799
this case of person to sort out any such

853
00:41:02,339 --> 00:40:58,539
cases because there are people out there

854
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:02,349
who are emotionally unstable in many

855
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:05,920
ways and who make the most incredible

856
00:41:12,509 --> 00:41:08,559
claims might or credible the fan megami

857
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:12,519
have made and we we eventually have to

858
00:41:18,089 --> 00:41:14,529
get rid of them because we don't want to

859
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:18,099
exploit people who are textured ahead if

860
00:41:23,309 --> 00:41:21,430
we can use the common expression yes we

861
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:23,319
go through a lot of thing to make sure

862
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:25,210
that that doesn't happen we have to be

863
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,329
fair to folks and I think that funny

864
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:29,920
will agree that we have been perfectly

865
00:41:33,539 --> 00:41:31,900
fair and aboveboard with her the

866
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:33,549
evidence is still in the envelope can be

867
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:35,710
examined by anybody I think cinetic I

868
00:41:40,109 --> 00:41:38,049
think that I have to get personal thanks

869
00:41:43,289 --> 00:41:40,119
to my good friend about a gent area who

870
00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:43,299
did a absolutely superb job doing this

871
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:46,599
correctly succinctly and the way the

872
00:41:56,099 --> 00:41:49,450
book calls for it it was a defendant yes

873
00:41:57,509 --> 00:41:56,109
oh yeah I guess the question I was going

874
00:42:01,769 --> 00:41:57,519
to ask a little similar to the last

875
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:01,779
question for the GF for the members of

876
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:05,710
the foundation on the panel what sort of

877
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:08,410
quality control if there is various

878
00:42:13,769 --> 00:42:10,900
levels of quality among claimants do you

879
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:13,779
go through and have you select among the

880
00:42:22,579 --> 00:42:17,670
planets that you test I think all of us

881
00:42:26,579 --> 00:42:22,589
can agree that Connie is sincere and and

882
00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:26,589
you know she she's not trying to pull

883
00:42:33,029 --> 00:42:28,750
one over on anybody she came here and

884
00:42:35,819 --> 00:42:33,039
his earnest how do you know that she's

885
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,829
the best we have to test it for

886
00:42:41,759 --> 00:42:38,640
everybody or such a public rest Oh

887
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:41,769
collecting the two of the the new

888
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:44,529
additions to the protocol to have a

889
00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:47,740
medium presence that if somebody has

890
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:49,329
paid some attention to you before the

891
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:51,609
drugs or somebody living at erratic he

892
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:53,980
decided to send us a letter Waka million

893
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:55,990
dollars the second thing is we have to

894
00:43:01,499 --> 00:42:58,690
have academic reference which body

895
00:43:03,749 --> 00:43:01,509
provided to us saying that she had done

896
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:03,759
the test which was relatively successful

897
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:07,420
in turn me promise that seemed to

898
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:08,190
produce

899
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,200
indications that it would be successful

900
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,200
in that a formal test so that is part of

901
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,660
the filtration but I will admit you that

902
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:17,940
it is difficult to do and we don't want

903
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:19,710
to offend anybody you don't want to

904
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,859
leave anybody ever has a legitimate

905
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,839
claim they really believe they can

906
00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:27,480
fulfill so it is a difficult procedure I

907
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,869
agree with you there I just want to make

908
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:32,520
sure the reception is that were choosing

909
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:35,609
any everyone who goes through the

910
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:38,819
application process gets tested so we

911
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,470
don't have oh let's test this one

912
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:42,660
without every single person who goes

913
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,720
through the application process they

914
00:43:49,819 --> 00:43:47,640
have a testicle clay well they won't get

915
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:49,829
through the broth record oh that's a

916
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,810
good but Connie was the only one that

917
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:53,819
you had available to you for such a

918
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,260
public display this weekend we have

919
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:00,780
several people several things are going

920
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:01,930
to the classics

921
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:04,630
she happened to be the next one week and

922
00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:06,670
aren't you we can't let people go out of

923
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,500
order and be tested out of order because

924
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:10,480
if one of them actually does pass the

925
00:44:15,059 --> 00:44:12,940
preliminary then that's not fair to all

926
00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:15,069
the people who have been waiting so she

927
00:44:22,020 --> 00:44:18,760
was the next day line question to Phil

928
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:22,030
Plait Philistine you know she beat the

929
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:25,890
president almost is now you must be

930
00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:28,210
trusted quite satisfied the way things

931
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:30,280
are going what's your opinion of the

932
00:44:32,970 --> 00:44:31,780
continuation or the possible

933
00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:32,980
continuation of a million-dollar

934
00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:36,430
challenge well I'm thrilled that's not

935
00:44:42,359 --> 00:44:39,069
just possible when you drink yes they're

936
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,369
in what state will continue we're still

937
00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:44,460
working on that's what I mean I want yes

938
00:44:50,819 --> 00:44:46,599
the million-dollar challenge on things

939
00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:50,829
up fascinating a tool to test to test

940
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:55,300
claimants and see how this works to see

941
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:57,130
do I see me to give the public a chance

942
00:45:00,720 --> 00:44:59,050
to see how this works this is a

943
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:00,730
beautiful example of that because now we

944
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:04,050
have an audience man online audience and

945
00:45:10,109 --> 00:45:08,500
it's a it's not a well it is in fact a

946
00:45:13,049 --> 00:45:10,119
site in the process there is a claim

947
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,059
that is made we work out a testing

948
00:45:17,309 --> 00:45:15,280
protocol for it there are statistics

949
00:45:19,289 --> 00:45:17,319
involved she had to pick three cards

950
00:45:22,109 --> 00:45:19,299
there's a one in ten chance each time

951
00:45:23,789 --> 00:45:22,119
they're independent each time so in fact

952
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:23,799
to get all three right there is a 1 in

953
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:26,140
1,000 chance now if we were running us

954
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:27,330
1,000 times

955
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,610
much higher chance of something winning

956
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:32,400
but in each individual test its 1000 so

957
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,230
if someone in that it that's by pure

958
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:36,660
chance only so if someone has an ability

959
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:43,190
then we should see a different amount of

960
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:46,650
people being able to pass this test so I

961
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:49,050
like this idea as a scientist because it

962
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:50,820
is scientifically testing an unusual

963
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,730
claim and I like that we're going to

964
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:55,920
continue it because I think it's an

965
00:45:59,600 --> 00:45:57,960
excellent tool for this it shows the

966
00:46:02,860 --> 00:45:59,610
public how this all works it shows the

967
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,870
public how skeptics analyze evidence and

968
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:05,280
how would we change the challenge in the

969
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:07,230
future I think that's still going to be

970
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:09,210
the coordinate it's just like any more

971
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:11,190
administrative change we do it to make

972
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:13,170
it more streamlined and more efficient

973
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,510
so people can apply more easily and they

974
00:46:21,550 --> 00:46:18,060
be tested would you be happy in a year's

975
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:21,560
time to offer cutting another change

976
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:24,060
that's a protocol question we coverage

977
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:25,950
apparatus

978
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,990
yes she can be tested or she realizes

979
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:30,240
his qualifications and her in place at

980
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:36,560
yeah ambekar Houston skeptics society a

981
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:38,790
question from the chat is related to

982
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:40,590
what Richard assassins if you feel

983
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,930
there's some future time that would

984
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:45,240
reapply for similar or slightly change

985
00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:47,310
test when you feel that it's time for

986
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:49,860
your powers to be revealed as you said

987
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:55,760
you think there's some future time as

988
00:47:00,380 --> 00:46:56,910
you mentioned that this was not the

989
00:47:02,359 --> 00:47:00,390
correct time to be tribution yes to it

990
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:02,369
are you able to tell them that might be

991
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:05,250
the right time because I can't say that

992
00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:08,819
at the time when beautiful things thank

993
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:12,040
you should you feel at that time

994
00:47:16,529 --> 00:47:13,530
why

995
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:16,539
item please

996
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:21,400
try them I just wondered has anyone ever

997
00:47:26,429 --> 00:47:24,249
gotten past the protocol past

998
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:26,439
preliminary testing no one has ever

999
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:27,900
passed the preliminary

1000
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:31,670
history of the challenge how many have

1001
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,250
done the preliminary testing I started

1002
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:37,200
work to answer it that surprising in

1003
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:41,130
doesn't think of Vietnam 207 years ok 30

1004
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:44,130
hundreds but the answer is not that easy

1005
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:46,710
to ride that because many many more

1006
00:47:51,769 --> 00:47:48,839
people make application initial

1007
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:51,779
application by sending in the farm than

1008
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,260
ever moved to the next stage and it

1009
00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:57,180
starts out like this it's a fair wage

1010
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:01,410
with the huge number of people apply by

1011
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:03,569
sending in the farm that it drops down

1012
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:07,470
whenever you don't hear from join eighty

1013
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,900
percent of those people ever again and

1014
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:11,400
then they don't do this they don't do

1015
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:13,740
this big find you to get down to Italy

1016
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,700
pretty here actually going a score or so

1017
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:19,920
in a year actually get to the point

1018
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,260
where they're ready to be now testing

1019
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:24,660
through the preliminary test so it's not

1020
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:26,700
an easy number to give you but it is but

1021
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:30,930
hundreds and del siglo that has been at

1022
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:33,510
least eighty eighty-five percent of the

1023
00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:37,410
total blank no we are farthest Berkeley

1024
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:45,040
markedly is preparing a report by

1025
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:47,780
analyzing all of the applications that

1026
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,160
have ever to mention the million-dollar

1027
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:51,920
prize we're reading with great

1028
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,640
anticipation see the breakdown the kind

1029
00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:58,160
of people the gender of the location the

1030
00:49:02,350 --> 00:49:00,410
age group and central people who make

1031
00:49:04,180 --> 00:49:02,360
these application and what happens to

1032
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:04,190
the application of it last challenge

1033
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:07,010
with this that exceedingly fine fun but

1034
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:10,130
with a very small of the other right so

1035
00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:12,140
that would be interesting documentation

1036
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:13,820
fine that's good so i would i would

1037
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:16,880
think from with what your files began

1038
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:20,210
with your maybe 35 40 years ago there's

1039
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:27,350
probably between 150 and 220 preliminary

1040
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:30,560
challenges that were actually bunch of

1041
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:32,870
that plan because it's practically

1042
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:36,839
stronger identity yes

1043
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:40,480
yeah the questions for therapy but now I

1044
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:42,670
presume that this test will eventually

1045
00:49:48,299 --> 00:49:45,130
go on youtube somehow in some form do

1046
00:49:50,339 --> 00:49:48,309
you think they'll be now that the folks

1047
00:49:52,529 --> 00:49:50,349
out there can see how it's done and how

1048
00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:52,539
Richard it is and you know that this is

1049
00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:54,220
the wheel this is a real sensitive test

1050
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,960
not just you know do you think you have

1051
00:49:59,460 --> 00:49:57,760
less applicants for this where people

1052
00:50:02,160 --> 00:49:59,470
think that you know they can get away

1053
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:02,170
with more guys well in what way they

1054
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:04,750
will see the integrity of the price you

1055
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:06,460
will see how carefully done it is and

1056
00:50:12,019 --> 00:50:08,380
that I think we have to agree with it

1057
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:12,029
that what we showed you today is is

1058
00:50:17,279 --> 00:50:14,950
absolutely attorney the care with which

1059
00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:17,289
is you prepared through the various

1060
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:20,440
steps in such and again the security of

1061
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:24,520
widgets handle is unbeatable it can't be

1062
00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:26,950
improved on because we could have ended

1063
00:50:31,049 --> 00:50:29,109
it right the point where Connie had

1064
00:50:33,059 --> 00:50:31,059
missed the three cars and said okay we

1065
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,069
all go home now but we insist about

1066
00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:35,200
opening up the other envelopes to make

1067
00:50:41,609 --> 00:50:39,460
sure it was possibly there was a

1068
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,619
possibility that money could add one

1069
00:50:47,069 --> 00:50:43,839
because the card was there and was

1070
00:50:49,769 --> 00:50:47,079
started properly placed each other so i

1071
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:49,779
think this both encourages and perhaps

1072
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:51,490
discourages some people the people who

1073
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:53,740
will discourage is people who are trying

1074
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:56,230
to do some tricks on us and we're going

1075
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:57,240
to get rid of

1076
00:51:01,700 --> 00:50:59,880
the time for that we would each sincere

1077
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:01,710
people really believe you about the

1078
00:51:08,660 --> 00:51:05,369
power and if they do step right up here

1079
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:08,670
we are I'm actually expecting a wall of

1080
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:11,400
criticism from folks are from our

1081
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:13,140
detractors who learn now be able to

1082
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:15,300
examine the test piece by piece trying

1083
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,550
to see if I'm where the shadow of an

1084
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:19,680
effects and covered a card and that was

1085
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:21,360
the moment I switched the correct card

1086
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:25,110
so you don't get many ideas create a

1087
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:28,200
photographer is not backed up question

1088
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:41,369
and I have scientists about a young

1089
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:45,060
Richards with the hygiene one samples I

1090
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,290
just had a question that wasn't

1091
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,180
disclosed as part of the test today

1092
00:51:52,850 --> 00:51:50,880
about the protocol which is so surprise

1093
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:52,860
to those prices he'd managed I carefully

1094
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:55,350
keeping your of the envelope says that

1095
00:51:59,660 --> 00:51:56,940
came out of a large envelope and just

1096
00:52:01,520 --> 00:51:59,670
curious however how did they get in that

1097
00:52:04,550 --> 00:52:01,530
order who knew what order they were in

1098
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,560
inside that new clothes yeah that is a

1099
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:06,660
good question when he got to me I all

1100
00:52:09,499 --> 00:52:08,130
they know is I was told I was not

1101
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:09,509
something similar

1102
00:52:13,009 --> 00:52:11,729
that I'm not allowed to do that that

1103
00:52:15,139 --> 00:52:13,019
kind of shoot so that don't whine

1104
00:52:16,429 --> 00:52:15,149
somebody else is already makes the model

1105
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:16,439
they put inside the envelope when they

1106
00:52:21,769 --> 00:52:19,859
come out on the table you want to just

1107
00:52:24,259 --> 00:52:21,779
follow the protocol that's off as much

1108
00:52:25,699 --> 00:52:24,269
what I have Alice you can ask so the

1109
00:52:27,919 --> 00:52:25,709
beginning part that question they're

1110
00:52:31,579 --> 00:52:27,929
actually shoveled and sealed by the at

1111
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:31,589
first and gently rain runs so I know

1112
00:52:35,979 --> 00:52:33,869
you're at work that they were injected

1113
00:52:39,139 --> 00:52:35,989
in the order that they were in vantage

1114
00:52:40,789 --> 00:52:39,149
activated yoga conservatives that

1115
00:52:43,189 --> 00:52:40,799
someone could know the order who was in

1116
00:52:45,019 --> 00:52:43,199
the room and it sounds like there's no

1117
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:45,029
way that you were showing that they were

1118
00:52:50,449 --> 00:52:46,619
double envelope and there's no

1119
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:50,459
indications on your side right because

1120
00:52:54,919 --> 00:52:52,380
they were randomized twice before bad

1121
00:52:57,259 --> 00:52:54,929
check under judgment promising that was

1122
00:52:58,109 --> 00:52:57,269
why the console you that one has ain't

1123
00:53:03,029 --> 00:52:58,119
no weak you know

1124
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:03,039
g one of the cars time jobs from

1125
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,430
Colorado as I understand it you believe

1126
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:08,319
that you are the only person who has

1127
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:12,089
these nurses yeah no that's what I

1128
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:16,420
didn't take that because one foot of the

1129
00:53:23,249 --> 00:53:18,490
collection on this earth can do

1130
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:23,259
something and that's why people don't do

1131
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:27,690
when they are coming here for assistance

1132
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:31,210
I'm sure that many of them can't do

1133
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:33,430
something but it's not the right time

1134
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:39,249
just to show people up there that way so

1135
00:53:46,529 --> 00:53:44,490
therefore nobody has take the chance I

1136
00:53:47,999 --> 00:53:46,539
have one more question about the

1137
00:53:50,819 --> 00:53:48,009
protocol it seems like everyone from the

1138
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,829
jrez Harry happy with the protocol as

1139
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,440
you designed it question one who came up

1140
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:55,599
with it it was regionally agreed to of

1141
00:54:00,359 --> 00:53:57,910
course but who invented that protocol

1142
00:54:03,150 --> 00:54:00,369
and the follow up then would be are you

1143
00:54:04,859 --> 00:54:03,160
going to use this exact protocol to do

1144
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:04,869
similar tests of dowsing in the future

1145
00:54:09,150 --> 00:54:07,210
or every claimant gets different

1146
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:09,160
profiles Oh every time I guess different

1147
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:11,099
part of all in riverdale is different

1148
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:13,180
what are people saying they think

1149
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,030
determine the colors of cards or objects

1150
00:54:19,859 --> 00:54:18,160
or poker chips or whatever and on will

1151
00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:19,869
further can find missing children our

1152
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:23,740
goal whatever every claim is totally

1153
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:25,390
different from every other clan but is

1154
00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:28,089
another claimant says i can use thousand

1155
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,760
right will you use this exact protocol

1156
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,559
know depends of what they say they can

1157
00:54:36,839 --> 00:54:34,480
do this evening so the sack i won't be

1158
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:36,849
finding tour with water flowing fresh

1159
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:39,369
water for example you know that pressure

1160
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,010
in Australia pressure 2000 get very very

1161
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:43,599
copier and doesn't work when you've

1162
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:46,510
ended up here but nonetheless they they

1163
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:48,790
have specific claims I can only find

1164
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:51,670
water which is flowing east and west and

1165
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:55,359
etc they're very specific most of them

1166
00:54:59,250 --> 00:54:57,670
in their claims and the test has to be

1167
00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:59,260
designed the protocol has to be designed

1168
00:55:05,069 --> 00:55:02,410
to accommodate exactly that the the

1169
00:55:06,809 --> 00:55:05,079
person makes the claim dictates the

1170
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:06,819
rules as to how these things will happen

1171
00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:09,220
all we have to do is filter it out in

1172
00:55:13,319 --> 00:55:10,780
such a way that is a double-blind

1173
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,329
procedure that it is perfectly fair and

1174
00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:15,760
aboveboard and the dollars that put

1175
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:17,980
online is this protocol therefore

1176
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:20,230
retired you're not going to use this of

1177
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:22,329
us exactly the same language make or if

1178
00:55:26,609 --> 00:55:25,210
if I should wish to come back next year

1179
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:26,619
and do the same thing and uses a

1180
00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:27,280
protocol

1181
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:29,080
we don't know usually with a claim that

1182
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:31,120
comes in this small subtlety that's

1183
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:33,130
different and that changes the protocol

1184
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:35,650
even it's a small salty right now for

1185
00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:37,150
instance we do have a claimant her

1186
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:38,740
name's Ann Gifford and she will be

1187
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:40,900
coming to the front of the line soon she

1188
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:43,570
also does sealed envelope identification

1189
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,250
which we playing cards but she doesn't

1190
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:48,000
do it through Desmond and that's for the

1191
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:50,560
protocol see idea initial negotiations

1192
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,920
write the first draft and Jeff and I

1193
00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:56,160
confer over what we come up with

1194
00:56:00,570 --> 00:55:57,910
everything's worked out with the

1195
00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:00,580
claimant and then Randy's contacted to

1196
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:02,380
finalize all of them and make any

1197
00:56:06,450 --> 00:56:04,090
changes that he sees fit do you ever

1198
00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:06,460
have statisticians or scientists told

1199
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:08,350
you again with all the members for all

1200
00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:10,690
of these an important couple of

1201
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:12,280
important points if first off Allison

1202
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:14,650
does the major bulk of the workers a lot

1203
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:15,730
of what you've seen the day's Allison's

1204
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:19,990
work second it's really the claimant who

1205
00:56:24,090 --> 00:56:21,940
designs the challenge they come to us

1206
00:56:25,019 --> 00:56:24,100
and talk stuff they do for example let's

1207
00:56:28,229 --> 00:56:25,029
say seven

1208
00:56:30,509 --> 00:56:28,239
to coin toss use what the coin I think I

1209
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:30,519
was going to be here two tails that is

1210
00:56:34,409 --> 00:56:32,650
the protocol that's the nation protocol

1211
00:56:36,479 --> 00:56:34,419
now of course we all know that's 5050

1212
00:56:37,919 --> 00:56:36,489
it's not good enough so we will do the

1213
00:56:40,019 --> 00:56:37,929
numbers to come back with them and say

1214
00:56:42,659 --> 00:56:40,029
okay if you can do that can you do this

1215
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:42,669
because this fits what we need and then

1216
00:56:47,579 --> 00:56:45,249
they really don't agree with Vanessa and

1217
00:56:51,569 --> 00:56:47,589
a lot of times that's where it ends

1218
00:56:54,929 --> 00:56:51,579
because people will not accept anything

1219
00:56:57,209 --> 00:56:54,939
beyond the 50-50 chances now you see the

1220
00:56:59,999 --> 00:56:57,219
initial thing we required for all the

1221
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:00,009
things is a simple statement of in three

1222
00:57:07,289 --> 00:57:03,849
parts what can you do under what

1223
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,299
circumstances with what accuracy and

1224
00:57:11,999 --> 00:57:09,119
that could be causing that could be

1225
00:57:13,919 --> 00:57:12,009
flying by tracking the arms or whatever

1226
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,929
they tell you maybe but under what

1227
00:57:18,209 --> 00:57:15,880
circumstances with what happened to see

1228
00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:18,219
these are very important that means that

1229
00:57:23,489 --> 00:57:21,400
the claimant designs the protocol all we

1230
00:57:25,799 --> 00:57:23,499
have to do is organize it and set about

1231
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:25,809
a certain number of steps that they

1232
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:33,170
now here i came across perception cisco

1233
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,780
if i had passed this purpose fasho her

1234
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:42,720
memory does a street web stream of the

1235
00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:45,900
next time for dinner the test of the

1236
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:48,060
next test can be essentially the same

1237
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:51,060
but perhaps with somewhat different

1238
00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:52,800
security depending on how the

1239
00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:55,950
performance when the first time I same

1240
00:58:00,440 --> 00:57:58,470
protocol or it could be that we change

1241
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:00,450
big we've ever had to deal with that

1242
00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:03,570
property so but would have to design a

1243
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:05,940
peasant as it comes along I think I

1244
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:07,890
think what we do is tickle of the test

1245
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:09,870
analyzes see the waiting weakness is

1246
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:11,490
there this week I should strengthen it

1247
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:13,260
and make a little bit more security if

1248
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:15,930
I'm a tu casa and should hear from both

1249
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:28,310
are you glad the receptacle community is

1250
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:31,050
offering thank Christ is there any

1251
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:32,910
recommendation how you did you could be

1252
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:35,220
better because if there are any sparks

1253
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:39,510
you need to know well I think and

1254
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:42,180
reading and cheaply we're wet all the

1255
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:46,680
time and I think it's easy it's easy if

1256
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:51,780
you if you agree the protocol well its

1257
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:55,290
second someone but it's okay and I don't

1258
00:59:02,200 --> 00:58:57,900
have some comments about that because I

1259
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:02,210
think it's fair and easy to compare yeah

1260
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:05,730
yeah Connie army what your friend he

1261
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:08,510
just said was that you are allowed to

1262
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:11,369
suggest an initial protocol and then it

1263
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:13,650
was modified how close to your initial

1264
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:15,990
suggestion of a protocol was the actual

1265
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:21,850
the original actually in her application

1266
00:59:26,260 --> 00:59:23,840
which you guys can see in your packets

1267
00:59:27,089 --> 00:59:26,270
the statement of McLain said that she

1268
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:27,099
was able to

1269
00:59:31,979 --> 00:59:30,130
five layers Rick come tiles we had a

1270
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:31,989
cardboard turned upside down on a table

1271
00:59:39,269 --> 00:59:37,450
so this was very close I'd take it from

1272
00:59:45,259 --> 00:59:39,279
Sydney Australia pushed into the derrick

1273
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:45,269
people why do you say that he might

1274
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:48,610
might be some

1275
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:53,670
there's a minimum

1276
00:59:58,890 --> 00:59:56,559
there's actually for me personally there

1277
01:00:01,319 --> 00:59:58,900
was no fear that exactly protocol is so

1278
01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:01,329
secure that the tester can't actually

1279
01:00:05,849 --> 01:00:03,790
give alter what happens he was never

1280
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:05,859
given the level of access that would

1281
01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:10,770
have been needed perception perception I

1282
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:13,240
think that we've I response to any way

1283
01:00:17,579 --> 01:00:16,210
that you never had the option I think

1284
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,589
you have that perception on both sides

1285
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:19,839
and going away in one you say well maybe

1286
01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:23,260
you can do something to help I'm but

1287
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,329
then there is my background we may look

1288
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:27,280
and say well if something was going on

1289
01:00:30,540 --> 01:00:28,930
fanatec might be wondering what I should

1290
01:00:31,650 --> 01:00:30,550
be able to see if you see right up there

1291
01:00:33,809 --> 01:00:31,660
because this is what I do for a living

1292
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:33,819
every day so that is such a thing go

1293
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:36,490
both ways the bottom line there's only

1294
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,650
involves online so I think if you're

1295
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:40,480
going to look at their go which way I'm

1296
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:41,920
going to go you'd rather have somebody

1297
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:43,510
up there that you know could detect the

1298
01:00:47,609 --> 01:00:45,730
trigger a grab and then Maurice little

1299
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:47,619
deception or somebody's saying hey he

1300
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,240
can be helping to be cheap the other

1301
01:00:52,770 --> 01:00:51,280
thing is it works both ways I woke up to

1302
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:52,780
ranting the very beginning and I said

1303
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:54,730
Randy I said you know I just want to

1304
01:00:58,319 --> 01:00:56,230
make sure that any question I had to ask

1305
01:01:01,049 --> 01:00:58,329
because I work with a scientists they

1306
01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:01,059
never did ask we magicians I said Randy

1307
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:02,980
this isn't this isn't my god above the

1308
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:04,990
city's thought I just I don't believe it

1309
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:06,020
it is but ash

1310
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:07,490
question it's not to get to that first

1311
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:09,890
station and he said pelamela stuff and I

1312
01:01:14,020 --> 01:01:12,170
took it was worth it is a question I had

1313
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:14,030
to put it out there I had to put it out

1314
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:16,360
that I wasn't eating my granny pompous I

1315
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,140
mean I was outside I had no clue and the

1316
01:01:25,540 --> 01:01:22,880
other thing it was looking scary for me

1317
01:01:27,010 --> 01:01:25,550
because Frank I can think of multiple

1318
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:27,020
ways that some of you if they want to

1319
01:01:31,810 --> 01:01:30,290
achieve could cheat and so as a result I

1320
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,820
was not allowed to examine the cards I

1321
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:33,680
was on that look at those and that was

1322
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:35,510
something I worry about I mean you know

1323
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:37,250
the very back of my mind of course is a

1324
01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:39,890
frustrated with my life but you just

1325
01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:42,320
never know you know you never really

1326
01:01:46,660 --> 01:01:44,870
know and so it work both ways for me as

1327
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:46,670
a result they had their their double

1328
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:48,650
line to you know set and that bothered

1329
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:50,210
me but I knew that I had to be put in

1330
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:52,460
that position a lot of it goes to always

1331
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:54,590
at the back of my head where one of

1332
01:01:59,230 --> 01:01:56,210
these days in Thunder taking place I

1333
01:02:01,420 --> 01:01:59,240
think of all the possibilities if there

1334
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:01,430
are so many not supported we magicians

1335
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:04,610
know what the possibilities are and we

1336
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:08,390
did that and trouble just we did I

1337
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:11,360
wonder if we've got a rare jumping in

1338
01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:14,330
here was actually a cousin of so many

1339
01:02:21,070 --> 01:02:18,620
whatever who has done nothing I could

1340
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:21,080
have very well we both would I didn't

1341
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:22,450
know I already had

1342
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:25,990
ways getting my head the way Freddy

1343
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:28,660
wanted you also details Allison was

1344
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:30,790
Allison you know you know you just never

1345
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:33,400
know you know no offense out but you

1346
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:35,170
never know how you think in both ways

1347
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:37,030
that they could have accomplished they

1348
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:38,500
were working with con so you think about

1349
01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:41,680
this so i would think that if it had

1350
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:44,109
been a success will be going to the

1351
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,270
official testing I probably would not be

1352
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:48,640
the tester at that point that that that

1353
01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:51,490
equation will be taken out that very

1354
01:02:56,730 --> 01:02:54,070
fact is the reason for the two-part the

1355
01:02:59,490 --> 01:02:56,740
preliminary than the formal test because

1356
01:03:04,260 --> 01:02:59,500
as she mentioned very early on this

1357
01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:04,270
discussion the preliminary test the odds

1358
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:07,180
are relatively easy to beat one one

1359
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:10,630
thousand okay and we we take a great

1360
01:03:18,270 --> 01:03:14,230
deal of care but we recently tend to

1361
01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:18,280
assume that this is not a clever wizard

1362
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:21,040
from across the ocean who is a trained

1363
01:03:24,990 --> 01:03:23,050
my mystical forces and whatnot

1364
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:25,000
government agencies there you'll win

1365
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:27,790
that buddy dollars we eat it to buy

1366
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,950
something the bull's eye makeup with the

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01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:32,319
United States no we don't think that way

1368
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:34,390
we ought to make it make the assumption

1369
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:35,910
the basic

1370
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,640
this is a modest person who believes

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01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:41,099
that he or she has the power and that's

1372
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:42,809
a safe enough of sumption because it

1373
01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:46,200
very very very probably true but that

1374
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:48,299
impression at the second stage and

1375
01:03:54,740 --> 01:03:52,170
that's our seeker manager this is little

1376
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:54,750
strange but we actually have spare tests

1377
01:03:59,539 --> 01:03:56,730
and if you would like to actually go

1378
01:04:15,079 --> 01:03:59,549
through the tests in winneconne did your

1379
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:15,089
wallet no you're the bottom line is I

1380
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:17,430
wouldn't do it as much as I would love

1381
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,140
to simply because i feel that would be

1382
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:21,599
making them operating system and to be

1383
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,640
quite honest with you it shouldn't be

1384
01:04:26,660 --> 01:04:25,200
made of concrete this is very seriously

1385
01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:26,670
and connie came here seems very serious

1386
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,190
about it i think we need to do with the

1387
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:30,720
same respect you just as serious and

1388
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:32,010
hopefully that's exactly I with you

1389
01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:33,480
across in what we did is that was my

1390
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:36,299
intent time so you know we joke about

1391
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:38,609
maybe going after that prize money it

1392
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:40,920
would be fun just as a fun thing to try

1393
01:04:45,319 --> 01:04:43,049
to do it but I think it would make it

1394
01:04:46,579 --> 01:04:45,329
more great i can come up to bat attack

1395
01:04:50,830 --> 01:04:46,589
again and say you know you really should

1396
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:57,050
yes

1397
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:00,420
as was noted before you seem very

1398
01:05:08,670 --> 01:05:03,790
certain you have the right car but did

1399
01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:08,680
you feel very certain until they're

1400
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:10,870
solid to you or whether those are some

1401
01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:13,420
moments doubt within your own mind at

1402
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:24,510
just don't want a we're going to have

1403
01:05:30,930 --> 01:05:27,370
about ten more pens here so let's go

1404
01:05:33,330 --> 01:05:30,940
ahead and get everybody okay I'm Brian

1405
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,340
Johnson Santa Maria did I understand you

1406
01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:35,680
correctly instigating interviews where

1407
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:37,360
you suggested that just prior to

1408
01:05:41,340 --> 01:05:39,400
arriving at the test site of you said

1409
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:41,350
you had a feeling that it was not going

1410
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:44,920
to work the end don't know and just boy

1411
01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:48,670
yes ma'am but once you arrived on the

1412
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:50,920
test site you also say that you felt

1413
01:05:57,030 --> 01:05:53,590
sure when you select the cards that goes

1414
01:06:02,520 --> 01:05:57,040
yeah me by huh yeah right I don't

1415
01:06:10,210 --> 01:06:07,390
an animal from Australia mentioned the

1416
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:10,220
source of your insights you refer to

1417
01:06:15,550 --> 01:06:13,850
them and he also referred or mentioned

1418
01:06:18,190 --> 01:06:15,560
that you feel that you are not permitted

1419
01:06:20,350 --> 01:06:18,200
to succeed today was it then who were

1420
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:20,360
preventing you for exceeding and

1421
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:22,790
secondly if I may do you know who they

1422
01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:27,369
are yes I can you elaborate plan today

1423
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:37,480
oh I can say more than you're crazy so

1424
01:06:45,370 --> 01:06:40,070
today you have been here playing with

1425
01:06:46,780 --> 01:06:45,380
carts and with us enjoy but you know

1426
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:46,790
that in the case of Maddie you are

1427
01:06:53,260 --> 01:06:49,610
playing with the feelings family of

1428
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:53,270
course yeah you realize this I'm not

1429
01:07:01,600 --> 01:06:57,440
here for just one minute I'm here for

1430
01:07:03,820 --> 01:07:01,610
plain okay it's just that it's a way yes

1431
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:03,830
there is no other way you know in Europe

1432
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:06,850
how many children disappear every year I

1433
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:10,400
you guys in a whiteout got 250 you're

1434
01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:12,830
here about many all the time and all the

1435
01:07:19,420 --> 01:07:15,950
other kids why did you choose the the

1436
01:07:22,990 --> 01:07:19,430
only one who was in the media

1437
01:07:26,650 --> 01:07:23,000
why not another one why not because they

1438
01:07:34,569 --> 01:07:26,660
don't you yes because it's because they

1439
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:34,579
told you because I right because it does

1440
01:07:40,359 --> 01:07:37,250
this is wrong the same lines there today

1441
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:40,369
you failed the test today at the time

1442
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:42,680
felt they were telling you what the

1443
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:44,089
cards were you thought you were right

1444
01:07:48,490 --> 01:07:45,890
and I just have to ask you one more time

1445
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,500
because it is an important question that

1446
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:51,200
you're asking that I think how do you

1447
01:07:54,970 --> 01:07:52,940
know that they are not telling you wrong

1448
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:54,980
about Matty as much as we convinced i'm

1449
01:07:59,049 --> 01:07:56,630
going to say that you won't have sit

1450
01:08:01,329 --> 01:07:59,059
right back the cards how can you know

1451
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:01,339
not know have some doubt there at all

1452
01:08:07,089 --> 01:08:04,130
because i have evidences as interview

1453
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:07,099
our farmer that twice a headache

1454
01:08:26,650 --> 01:08:24,620
yeah that makes more sense yes okay one

1455
01:08:29,780 --> 01:08:26,660
more and then we're gonna close that I

1456
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:29,790
don't want something David Richards

1457
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:32,210
again I just wondered if anyone has ever

1458
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:37,130
referred you to the ideomotor productor

1459
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:46,560
see the definition okay really probably

1460
01:09:00,920 --> 01:08:56,819
i suggested certain and that it all very

1461
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:00,930
strong psychological effect which most

1462
01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:04,410
people are quite unconscious unlike you

1463
01:09:15,230 --> 01:09:06,839
maybe have something to ponder about

1464
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,240
just a suggestion there is something in

1465
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:17,520
psychology for me if your motion

1466
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,049
artifact and it's a very very strong

1467
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,580
impulsive most people are doing unaware

1468
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:26,460
of and I've seen many many instances of

1469
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:31,430
it and most of the way of the the obese

1470
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:34,890
doctors have in their success is due to

1471
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:38,190
the ideomotor effect but it is not a

1472
01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:46,240
perception is purely a psychological

1473
01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:50,150
self deception I suggest you can find

1474
01:09:57,310 --> 01:09:53,260
that our sales by effect if ego motor

1475
01:10:00,400 --> 01:09:57,320
ieo hello to you are no longer effect

1476
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:00,410
it's very strong and not very well known

1477
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:03,260
author is not very large it's not the

1478
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:07,970
truth it'll toughen so i think what

1479
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:10,130
kanye say she pleased she has evidence

1480
01:10:18,810 --> 01:10:13,150
physical evidence already this that

1481
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:22,030
so okay I think we're going to close out

1482
01:10:36,730 --> 01:10:33,730
one more thing before we go home I

1483
01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:36,740
sincerely want to thank there's nothing

1484
01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:39,560
coming all this distance she had the

1485
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:41,540
confession the strength of her

1486
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:43,850
convictions and we are honored to have

1487
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:47,150
her here on certainly HD when it was a

1488
01:11:13,330 --> 01:10:50,690
wonderful chest and we hope we are out

1489
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:16,700
so according to Connie at the time of

1490
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:18,960
the press conference she thought the

1491
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:22,200
test was fair and had no problems at all

1492
01:11:29,210 --> 01:11:26,640
with Banacek being involved sadly it

1493
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:29,220
wasn't long after the test that she

1494
01:11:36,580 --> 01:11:32,670
switched her blame from them whoever

1495
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:36,590
they are to blaming Banacek himself and

1496
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:38,850
accusing him of cheating by using

1497
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:41,400
sleight of hand she made these

1498
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:43,650
allegations on the James Randi forum

1499
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:46,860
boards from what I saw at the test and

1500
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:49,290
in the press conference Connie was

1501
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:51,510
treated with respect politeness and

1502
01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:54,990
gratitude throughout her adventure that

1503
01:11:59,600 --> 01:11:57,150
she would find something or someone to

1504
01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,610
blame for her failure was simply no

1505
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:01,980
surprise at all this is par for the

1506
01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:05,070
course Banacek is an honorable and

1507
01:12:10,730 --> 01:12:08,190
honest man but as anyone can see from

1508
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:10,740
watching the test it was Connie who

1509
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:14,610
failed all by herself she at the time of

1510
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:17,330
testing simply did not display any

1511
01:12:35,450 --> 01:12:32,360
thank you for joining me for the skeptic

1512
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,460
zone join us again next week when we'll

1513
01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:37,920
have a grain of salt with Iran dr.

1514
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:40,830
Rachel reports and the think tank until

1515
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:43,260
then this is Richard Saunders signing

1516
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:49,080
off from Sydney Australia you've been

1517
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:51,480
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1518
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:55,920
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01:13:00,700 --> 01:12:58,380
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